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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2010.07.17 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 17/07/2010 21:06:19
"We have some suggestions in mind and we will be exploring them in the fall. Iæm confident that with the CSMæs help we can take this to the next level."
Flim Flam of the highest order
In the Fall we will be "exploring" some "suggestions" to reach an unqualified "next level".
Nice transparency. Diabolicaly nebulous corporate speak.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.07.18 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/07/2010 01:55:20
 Originally by: delonetiger
I'm a rather new player, and I've never seen a game developer (or any other software company for that matter) take the time to tell their players in such detail how they are working on the game and what the teams are doing
Youve never seen another games developer
1) Get an employee caught out aiding an in game alliance
2) Get hit with massive backlash
3) Launch a PR face saver "players counicl" to "look in every nook and cranny to make sure CCP are above board)
4) Brief all sorts of media that this was happening
5) Profit from publicty
6) Water down the CSM to a pale shadow of its origianly stated to a "conduit" for communication with players
7) Agree a big list of things to do in conjunciton with the csm
8) Ignore this list, slowly adding more things over several years
9) Tell the CSM that none of the list will be dealt with for the next TWO YEARS COMING
10) Act all suprised when the CSM minutes look a bit lairy
The CSM has backfired like a badly maintained effmobile in CCPS incredulous looking face - and they still dont get it.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/07/2010 14:41:23
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Incorrect. Your opinion does matter and we are grateful that you share it with us, just as other players have been doing.
Please believe me when I say that this post is not designed to be sarcastic or poking fun. We genuinely want to hear you r feedback and it all matters.
You, and your collegues continualy state how highly you value feedback
A whole bunch of feedback from the CSM
Yet when SO MUCH feedback is given to you:
* So many forum posts in Assembly Hall
* So many debates in those threads
* So many hours days and weeks spent narrowing those ideas down
* So much time spent by the CSM narowing down these further to present to you
And you dont implent it. Whats the point of putting the effort in to use your own mechanisms to impact on what the player want the game to be - when there is clear cpp have not had the will to allocate sufficient resources to implement them for the last few years, and reportedly your not going to even look at implementing them for the next 2 years either. Why add further issues to a stack of ignored issues?
The amusing thing I find - As someone who has watched with initial scepticism, growing disdain and eventual disgust - Is that most of the issues that are brought up and debated by new players - eager to take part in the great ccp democracy - in the assembly hall... ARE ALREADY AGREED AND SITTING ON THE CCP TO DO LIST. They have already run the whole gamut of the system you implemented and the ball has been in your court for years.
People are literaly wasting their time on there. And when it is clear you are wasting peoples time - they become angry.
Gif us feeback! You cried. And we respond in our thousands.IMPLEMENT SOME OF THIS FEEDBACK! We cry at you. and we are either ignored or patornised.
Any CCP employee coming out with the standard "your feedback is important to us" guff is visibly undermined to the point of farce, by the spectre of the reams of ignored feedback given in the past.
Im sorry but your laughable.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/07/2010 16:00:28
Originally by: Pax Ratlin
but feedback ISN'T 'we say you implment' (although probably not you, you just said the right thing for me to jump on :-) ) and i think a lot of people actually believe that idea.
Feedback is something to be taken into consideration.
I understand the meaning of feedback and fully aggree feedback to CCP should not be taken as a edict from the playerbase to DO THIS OR ELSE.
However, many issues have gone through the whole...
Assembly HAll --> CSM Meeting --> CSM+CCP meeting --> Agreed by ccp
... process and have been agreed directly by ccp.
Conversly - a lot of ideas were taken under consideration by CCP and discounted as not viable - this is fine and part of the feedback process as you describe it.
The main backlog list is not a list of things to be "taken under consideration". Its a list of feeback which CCP have ALREADY TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION and aggreed would be a good idea to implement.
Thats the point. All that is left is to allocate resources to deal with the agreed issue. And CCP have been unable or unwilling over the past few years to implement the changes, and have indicated they will not be allovating resources for at least two years in the future to do so.
So we get to the nub of the matter - whats the point in giving a company their desired "feedback" for 4 or 5 YEARS when they place such little value on it.
That why people are going mental.
And dont forget the whole CSM malarky was supposed to be about the playerbase going to iceland once a year and acting as enforcers to check CCP were not acting in dubious manners that they had been caught out doing in the past.
The CSM in its many iteration has gone from enforcer --> what features should be changed in game --> feeback comittee --> totaly ignored.
SKUNK
TLDR: The feedback process is done. CCP have agreed to a selection of the ideas put through by the playerbase. All that remains is for them to be implementd. They have not been implemented for 3 years and will not be for at least 2 more. Playerbase angry.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Lebroi
The only people I remain feeling bad for are the CSM. CCP has embarrassed them, belittled them and treated them like monkeys in front of the very people they were elected to represent. TBA, they have all impressed me in this thread with their care for the players and the game. At the very least, I hope they get an apology.
Dont feel sorry for them, if they had any dignity they would resign on mass. None of them have resigned.
SKUNK
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